tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post8570012460622350877..comments2023-12-17T20:37:39.572-08:00Comments on Wayne's Dirty Lab: Col. Hoganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-55733553268228646962008-08-02T18:31:00.000-07:002008-08-02T18:31:00.000-07:00CFG,Nice to see you here. Most of us commit charit...CFG,<BR/><BR/>Nice to see you here. <BR/><BR/>Most of us commit charitable acts as suits our character, but I agree that "forced charity" isn't charity at all. It's merely an abortive attempt of the forcer to appear benevolent to people who aren't terribly discriminating.Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-4487471435756019002008-08-01T10:46:00.000-07:002008-08-01T10:46:00.000-07:00Y'all know how "altruistic" I can be. Yes, it mak...Y'all know how "altruistic" I can be. Yes, it makes me feel good to make other people feel good and is a moral/ethical thing for me. However, the line goes from doing to forcing others to do. And I agree with KC that because another person has a large amount of wealth, they do not "owe" it to anyone else. It's theirs, period. Taking it, regardless of how much they have or the circumstances CelticForestGoddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05202516542674518864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-53800726840884859352008-07-22T21:31:00.000-07:002008-07-22T21:31:00.000-07:00MK, I'm with you, of course, on the libertarian id...MK, <BR/><BR/>I'm with you, of course, on the libertarian idea that 'forced giving' should "not to be foisted upon them", but you lose me here:<BR/>"Sure there are people out there who have untold wealth but squander it when there are many others out there less fortunate than them"<BR/><BR/>I see no irony (or _any_ connection for that matter) between what a wealthy person does with, (or how he Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-74689328816973888202008-07-20T18:25:00.000-07:002008-07-20T18:25:00.000-07:00TF, To the extent that I understand it (I've worke...TF, <BR/><BR/>To the extent that I understand it (I've worked for two LDS members in my career), the LDS organization has an excellent system for taking care of its unfortunate members. It includes recommendations as to avoid becoming one of them. <BR/><BR/>Other religious organizations would do well to follow their example.Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-11325952047657642652008-07-20T18:12:00.000-07:002008-07-20T18:12:00.000-07:00MK,A great point. Most of the funds confiscated fr...MK,<BR/><BR/>A great point. Most of the funds confiscated from their producers is squandered and lost in bureaucrats' pockets. <BR/><BR/>There's a recent story here in El Pueblo about the city giving money (hundreds of thousands) to a supposedly reformed gangster to fight gangs. It was learned recently he was using the money to buy guns to give to his homies.<BR/><BR/>We hear stories like this Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-14427244792800927892008-07-20T17:55:00.000-07:002008-07-20T17:55:00.000-07:00TWC,I won't argue with you on this, because I don'...TWC,<BR/><BR/>I won't argue with you on this, because I don't know much about these organizations except what I see/hear/read in the media, and I don't trust them very far. <BR/><BR/>The first argument I'll make, is that the donations go to faceless bureaucrat types and pretty much vanish at that point.<BR/><BR/>The second argument is that, as long as government is confiscating over half of my Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-22851466081451470932008-07-20T08:36:00.000-07:002008-07-20T08:36:00.000-07:00Some charities are all right. Red Cross, Salvation...Some charities are all right. Red Cross, Salvation Army. Salvation Army was feeding people after Katrina before the disaster hit the media. They are also who the National Guard kept out of Nuawlins at gunpoint while people went hungry.<BR/><BR/>Had a client that I used to think was a cheapskate because he never gave to charity. Then one day, in casual conversation, he began to talk about the needAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-39970133463905602072008-07-19T22:38:00.000-07:002008-07-19T22:38:00.000-07:00Aurora,When individuals help other individuals, it...Aurora,<BR/><BR/>When individuals help other individuals, it often works out that they chose those who'll make the best of a leg up. This is the kind of help that really helps.<BR/><BR/>When governments take your money by force and hand it out to the "less fortunate," they create a parasitic underclass who rarely use the aid to help themselves improve. <BR/><BR/>It's a real difference.Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-10554047040611593212008-07-19T22:30:00.000-07:002008-07-19T22:30:00.000-07:00Kent,Agreed. My bit of charity usually goes toward...Kent,<BR/><BR/>Agreed. My bit of charity usually goes toward individuals who do things of which I approve, or who show potential. I rarely give to charitable organizations, since they are often nondiscriminatory--not to mention incompetent.Col. Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661036185268724026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-68980996022935524292008-07-19T19:23:00.000-07:002008-07-19T19:23:00.000-07:00I agree with Aurora as well, some one else's money...I agree with Aurora as well, some one else's money is not mine to do with as i please. Sure there are people out there who have untold wealth but squander it when there are many others out there less fortunate than them, but just my judgment, not to be foisted upon them.<BR/><BR/>Besides what's staring us in the face is that after decades of foreign aid to Africa, they're pretty much still in theMathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-51640714198931142862008-07-16T20:06:00.000-07:002008-07-16T20:06:00.000-07:00I tend to go along with Aurora on this; except I h...I tend to go along with Aurora on this; except I hand over a monthly fast offering donation to my Bishop with the understanding that he knows which families in our area are in need of temporary assistance better than I do. Theft, either by an individual or through government is still theft. Time to shut down the government give away programs.T. F. Sternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998813855197833260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-55176648092456703662008-07-16T04:23:00.000-07:002008-07-16T04:23:00.000-07:00Col., as a Christian myself, I have a different pe...Col., as a Christian myself, I have a different perspective on generosity than Huckabee and the very confused Christian Left. I believe that one's own belongings are one's own. That must never be confused. The Bible teaches 'Thou shalt not steal', therefore governments should not be stealing from the rich, or anyone, to give to the poor, or anyone. Stealing is wrong. I do, however, support Aurorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07158241563912884556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-6343376946685487312008-07-16T00:27:00.000-07:002008-07-16T00:27:00.000-07:00Such a key point. As Milton F. pointed out even Mo...Such a key point. As Milton F. pointed out even Mother Teresa acts on her own self-interest, yet both the religious Right and the socialist Left (ie. all the Left) preach and promote altruism, where the highest value is sacrificing self to either god or the state. Yet those 'actors' are still acting in their own self-interest in their personal lives. They promote sacrifice to idiots who then Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110093.post-11429469118035908262008-07-15T20:31:00.000-07:002008-07-15T20:31:00.000-07:00So true and very well put.So true and very well put.Ol' BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663043218114318729noreply@blogger.com